Episode 602
with Maria Bamford and Isabeau Waia'u Walker
Comedian Maria Bamford chats about her new book Sure, I’ll Join Your Cult, which unpacks mental illness and the quest to belong... and why 12-step programs and the Suzuki Method have more in common than you might think. Then, singer-songwriter Isabeau Waia'u Walker performs her song "The Prince," written as a tribute to her father and the young men of Hawaii who often slip through the cracks. Plus, host Luke Burbank and announcer Elena Passarello share some cult-adjacent experiences from our listeners.
Maria Bamford
Author and comedian
Maria Bamford is the star of "The Maria Bamford Show," "Ask My Mom," and "Lady Dynamite." She was deemed Breakout Comedy Star at Just for Laughs, and her critically acclaimed work includes her stand-up specials "Weakness Is the Brand," "Old Baby," and "Maria Bamford: The Special, Special, Special!", as well as two Comedy Central Presents specials. Maria’s writing has been featured in The New York Times, LA Weekly, and more. Maria has contributed comedic voice-overs for Big Mouth, BoJack Horseman, Adventure Time, Word Girl, Kung Fu Panda, Legend of Korra, and Teenage Euthanasia. For her mental health advocacy, she’s been presented with The OCD Foundation’s Illumination Award and featured at the Psychotherapy Networker Symposium, The Chautauqua Institution, and the Saks Institute for Mental Health Law, Policy and Ethics Symposium. She is the author of the audio original You Are (A Comedy) Special and her latest book "Sure, I'll Join. Your Cult: A Memoir of Mental Illness and the Quest to Belong Anywhere." Website • Instagram • Twitter
Isabeau Waia'u Walker
Singer-songwriter
The vision for her music is clear and thought provoking, and Isabeau Waia'u Walker often expresses her vision through her master storytelling. The authenticity of her musical presentation as a performer and storyteller taps into human emotions and bonds her with the listeners and audiences in front of her. Isabeau worked as a high school teacher for over a decade while she made music, slowly amassing an impressive YouTube subscribership. She then orchestrated an early retirement from education to redirect attention to music, allowing her to tour as a member of Y La Bamba and to record her EP, Better Metric. Her full length album Body, recorded at The Center for Sound, Light and Color Therapy with bandmate and producer Ryan Oxford continues to highlight the tensions of the stretches and contractions nested in Isabeau's core which then reverberate through the layers of her product: storytelling, collaboration, presentation, music. Website • Instagram • Twitter
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Luke Burbank: This episode of Live Wire was originally recorded in September of 2023. We hope you enjoy it. Now let's get to the show. Hey, Elena.
Elena Passarello: Hey, Luke. How's it going?
Luke Burbank: It is going splendidly. I'm very, very intrigued to find out if you're going to be able to nail this week's station location identification examination. It is, let's just say a subtle offering. So I want to see if you can figure out where we are on the radio. Somewhere in America, there's a new station, by the way. And then you got a guess, and I'll tell you if you have guessed correctly. Okay. This place is elevated. It's at 4658ft above sea level, and it boasts 300 days a year of sunshine. So it's not in Kansas. We can move it to a certain region of the country where you might be. Yeah. You know, a mile above sea level at.
Elena Passarello: It's not in the Pacific Northwest either, because of all those days of sunshine. Right? Is it somewhere in Colorado?
Luke Burbank: You are in the right state, my friend.
Elena Passarello: Oh, I know four cities in Colorado. Let's go.
Luke Burbank: Let's see if this is one of them. It was described on the show South Park as, quote, the exact opposite of Hawaii, although it once also supplied a quarter of America's sugar, which is an interesting footnote for a city in Colorado.
Elena Passarello: Is it Colorado Springs?
Luke Burbank: No. It's the place where the modern day lawn sprinkler system was invented. And also in 2015, they got the Guinness World Record for the longest continuous chalk art drawing. That's got to give it away.
Elena Passarello: Oh, yeah. Totally.
Luke Burbank: What are your four cities?
Elena Passarello: Fort Collins. Okay. No. Colorado Springs, Denver and Boulder.
Luke Burbank: And also Greeley. Greeley, Colorado. Part of community radio for northern Colorado, which, again, is a new station. So welcome, everybody tuning in from Greeley. Are you ready to do the show?
Elena Passarello: Yes. Let's do it.
Luke Burbank: All right.
Elena Passarello: From PRX, it's Live Wire. This week, comedian Maria Bamford.
Maria Bamford: I'm the four foot nine Tony Robbins, who speaks in a whisper and then falls asleep while I'm talking to.
Luke Burbank: Oh man.
Elena Passarello: With music from Isabeau Waia'u Walker
Isabeau Waia'u Walker: My dad is a storyteller and years ago I was home and I woke up and he's like, at the foot of the bed. He say, I have something to tell you, which is not extreme for my dad to be waiting, like in the wings, like I'm ready.
Elena Passarello: I'm your announcer, Elena Passarello, and now the host of Live Wire, Luke Burbank.
Luke Burbank: Thank you, Elena Passarello. Thanks to everyone all across America listening to the show this week. We have a great program in store for you. We're going to talk to Maria Bamford. We're going to hear some great music. We also asked Livewire listeners a question. We said, what is the closest thing to a cult that you have ever belonged to? We're going to be hearing those responses coming up in a few minutes. First, though, of course we got to kick things off with the best news we heard all week this. This right here is our little reminder at the top of the show. There is some good news happening out there in the world. Elena, what is the best news you've heard all week?
Elena Passarello: Okay, so when you were a kid or now when you were watching cartoons, you know how, like, every time on Looney Tunes or Bugs Bunny or whatever, every time there was an oyster, there was a pearl in it?
Luke Burbank: Yes. I think I definitely believed that if you wanted a pearl, you just go find an oyster.
Elena Passarello: Yeah, they were all in there. And if you could just figure out how to get the darn thing open, you would be swimming in pearls. Apparently, that is very, very not true.
Luke Burbank: Okay.
Elena Passarello: Very rare. Also, not only oysters have pearls in them every once in a blue moon, but clams do as well, which I did not know. There's a species of clam or a breed of clam or whatever that also makes pearls. It takes decades. So I don't know if Sandy Sikorski and Ken Steenkamp knew about this. These are two Rhode Islanders. They're in their 70s. They have been dating for about three years. So if later in life romance for these two folks who have been divorced and have kids and grandkids. So they're out having a clam dinner with, Sandy's brother and sister, and Sandy's like, oh, I think I broke a tooth, but it turns out it wasn't a tooth. It was a gigantic pearl that she found inside one of the clams in her clam dinner. She says it was so big, there's no way she would have, unknowingly swallowed it.
Luke Burbank: So this wasn't like on the beach. They're like digging for clams, and they crack it open. This is like in a restaurant.
Elena Passarello: Yeah. She ordered, like, a shelled clam dinner and chomp chomp chomp. Oh my goodness, what is this? And I also, when I was a kid that all the pearls that came out were kind of gorgeous. But often the pearls that oysters make are kind of misshapen or brown or they look, I don't know how a booger. Yeah, how rude. But this pearl was actually kind of beautiful. It was this lovely creamy color. And like I said, it was quite large. It was like ten millimeters. So Sandy pocketed the pearl. I don't know if she told the restaurant about her finding. And, you know, life kind of like moved on. And about 18 months later, they finally got around to going down to a jeweler. And the jeweler was like, oh, okay, I think you need to meet my friend wishbone. Oh. The jeweler also said that this was an incredibly rare thing, and a pearl that size probably grew for 50 years inside that clam.
Luke Burbank: Because a pearl, if I remember right, it's it's a small piece of sand or something that the the, the, the, the animal has been kind of worrying over as you were like kind of covering it with this coating probably. What. So it's not so bothersome. And that's what you end up. That's how you get the pearl.
Elena Passarello: Yeah. It's like a protective measure that just keeps on going. And then before you know it, you have this you have.
Luke Burbank: About 50 years. So I mean depending on your definition of before you know it.
Elena Passarello: But this is the clams masterpiece. Let's think about it that way. Yeah. So they took it to this guy named wishbone who designed with Sandy this beautiful setting. It kind of looks like a claw of gold filigree with a diamond on every size. And in the article I read, there's a picture of this pearl. And it is a honker. It's just I mean, it's it's just gorgeous. And now it's got a little bit of bling attached to it. Her sweetheart can was like, it kind of looks like the Eiffel Tower, which I feel like is a classic dude response to to jewelry, but fine. So they ordered it. When they got the ring, he was like, oh yeah, I guess, will you marry me? Because, you know, like they're grown ups and they knew that they were going to get around getting married someday, and they knew they were going to get engaged someday. And so not the kind of pomp and circumstance is when you're getting, like, pinned by your fraternity sweetheart when you're 22 or whatever. And he proposed in front of her family with this ring that they had made. And wedding plans are on the way. She already has a granddaughter to whom she wants to give the pearl eventually, and now she has this incredible, beautiful story that I bet nobody else in this world at present has.
Luke Burbank: I have never heard of anything like that happening. They are having the reception at Red lobster. You also think, would these two be getting married when they're getting married, if not for this magical pearl in this clam? Because, you know, people can drag their feet for all kinds of reasons. But once you have the ring in a story like that, you kind of got to do it.
Elena Passarello: Yeah, it's a pearl of wisdom, so to speak.
Luke Burbank: Sure. Is a I want to mention that our executive producer, Laura Hadden, specifically asked that I do this story. So if this gets us banned from public radio, I was only following direction here. It's the story of a raccoon in Cochran, Georgia. Now, you spent some time in Georgia. Have you ever been through coffee?
Elena Passarello: Yeah, my old stumps. No. No, I don't think so.
Luke Burbank: Well, apparently it can get cold in Cochran. It was about ten degrees recently, and a railroad worker named Neil Mullis was out checking on the railroad tracks. And what did he find? But a raccoon who had been wandering across the tracks and decided. To sit on the railroad tracks and became attached to the tracks via his anatomy.
Elena Passarello: His anatomy.
Luke Burbank: The raccoon's anatomy. Froze to the railroad tracks. There are. There's video and pictures of this. And it would be adorable if it weren't so scary for this raccoon who's just sitting there. Like, remember the old black and white movies where the, you know, like the the villain would tie the damsel up to the to the railroad tracks. That's what this raccoon had, like, wandered into but the like, you know, Christmas story version where it's frozen to the tracks.
Elena Passarello: It's his his like bathing suit parts. It's interesting.
Luke Burbank: That's right. That's the part of the raccoon that got stuck to the tracks. Thank goodness. Neil Mullis and his coworker saw this raccoon and embarked on a project to get the raccoon off of the tracks, which involved pouring warm water on the raccoons bathing suit area and slowly is using a shovel feces to lift the raccoon off of the tracks. And it I mean, this raccoon was really stuck. There was fur from the raccoon still on the tracks. This is cell phone footage from Neil's cell phone again. We're gonna have to bleep some of this out later. But this is what a Georgia railroad employee sounds like when they found a raccoon that is stuck to the train tracks by way of its nether regions, operation was performed a little further south. There's rest of is not here. They're supposed to do that. That's the only place on public radio. You're going to hear that tape this week, my friends.
Elena Passarello: So it's like a wig, a raccoon, Brazilian bikini wax, right? Yeah. The train.
Luke Burbank: Tracks there. Some people pay extra for that. But this raccoon got a free one. The raccoon, was just fine. Ran off into the woods. Did you know this? I didn't realize male raccoons are called boars.
Elena Passarello: I didn't know that.
Luke Burbank: This was an article I saw in the, Daily Mail. And this is how, you know, it was a hit story. Elena. It says we are no longer accepting comments on this article. There were so many comments or maybe so many inappropriate comments. Had to shut it down. So, that raccoon getting a free Brazilian is the best news that I heard this week. You. This is Live Wire from PRX. Okay, we've got to take a very quick break. But do not go anywhere. Because when we return, we will talk to one of my very favorite comedians out there, Maria Bamford. She's got a new book called sure, I'll Join Your Cult. Maria is going to talk about how she ended up buying a carpet for a comedy club in Portland, Oregon, and also why she doesn't like to perform at charity events anymore. And it's not because she's not charitable. We will explain in just a moment here on Live Wire. Welcome back to Live Wire from Pyrex. I'm your host, Luke Burbank, here with Elena Passaro. All right. Our first guest this week is one of my favorite comedians working today. And what is so interesting to me about Maria Bamford's work is that it really does cover the whole range of human experience. It's the funny stuff, but it's also the scary stuff and the sad stuff. The New York Times calls her comedy weird and ingenious. She's the star of Lady Dynamite. She has several critically acclaimed standup specials to her credit, and she says her goal as a comedian is to transform isolating experiences into comedy that makes us all feel less alone, which is exactly what she also does in her latest book. It's called Sure I'll Join Your Cult a memoir of Mental Illness and The Quest to Belong Anywhere. She joined us recently from her home near LA. This is Maria Bamford on Live Wire. Maria Bamford, welcome to Live Wire.
Maria Bamford: Thank you for having me, Luke Burbank.
Luke Burbank: This book is really, really funny. And also like so much of your work, it's really, really honest. One of the things that you talk about, I mean, it's called. Sure, I'll join your call. You talk about you've always been drawn to kind of. I don't know if we can say the word weird, but, like, kind of odd groups of people. Things that could be described as culty. Why do you think that's always been appealing to you?
Maria Bamford: Well, I like being invited to things. I don't necessarily, you know, I say yes before and understanding what they represent. And, I love being in a thing and then and then pushing the boundaries of that thing by complaining about it and talking and in public. And the first group, of course, I did that with was my family, then secondarily, Christianity as a whole, then moved on to Suzuki violin, Dale Carnegie training courses, the artists way, 12 step groups. I desperately love all these things. Somebody got mad at me from my groups for my 12 step cults and said.
Maria Bamford: You shouldn't make fun of. You know, these programs saved your life. Why else be alive except to make fun of things that are really important to you?
Elena Passarello: Yeah.
Luke Burbank: The part about Debtors Anonymous, one of the groups you're in, it was illuminating to me because I guess I assumed from that name that it was a group designed to help people who are addicted to going into debt of some kind, and it sounds like what it really is, is just like a great accountability for just practicing better financial health.
Maria Bamford: It's for whatever you want it to be, you know? I mean, an AA or any, isn't it? Aren't they just people sitting in chairs just trying not to do something terrible? You know, I just I'm very much into harm reduction. Like da help me. First of all, how to get a job, a full time job and keep that job, which I did not realize was just it was just going to be a lot of discomfort and asking for support and going, oh, I got to show up again. But I did such a good job today, aren't I done? And and also doing things in a counterintuitive way, like it's a lot of cognitive behavioral stuff and some of it is very culty, which I don't ascribe to, which is part of reason I can still attend 12 subgroups is they do have this aphorism, which is, take what you want, leave the rest, and I take only what I want, which is only a few new things, which are mostly cookies, mostly cookies. And I leave the rest, which is the decaf. Who brought decaf?
Luke Burbank: Yeah. When I was a kid, I didn't really know what 12 step was, but I knew there were certain, like, storefronts in my neighborhood where people were just furiously chain smoking in front and drinking coffee out of styrofoam cups. And I was like, I don't know what that is, but, that's something happening.
Elena Passarello: I got it mixed up with stations of the cross, like I in my head. They kind of got scrambled together like, however many.
Maria Bamford: And you're. But you're not. You're not wrong. Stations the like in terms of like, it's this process where you go through recognizing and I talk about it in the book just sort of saying how I've rewritten them for myself so that they make sense more as a thing, as a science based thing of like, okay, here's this thing that I do, this is how it's affecting me in negative ways. Is there any tiny thing I could change about my current behavior? For example, the example I use is parking illegally. I seem to do that, continuously today. What I did instead of parking illegally, I parked in a bank parking lot across the street. Now, I was not a bank customer. And so—
Luke Burbank: It's all about harm reduction.
Maria Bamford: Still borderline illegal. But was that a little bit better than getting a $70 ticket? I would argue yes.
Elena Passarello: And you didn't get towed, I'm assuming.
Maria Bamford: Didn't get towed. Got asked by the lady. Asked by the lady behind the desk. Are you a Wells Fargo customer? And because I have used an ATM at Wells Fargo, I said to myself, yes. Yes, I am. Now, is that kind of honestly a gray area? Yes. I don't think there's any great there. I lie.
Luke Burbank: But you're not going to Liar's Anonymous. You're going to debtors anonymous.
Maria Bamford: Anonymous. And and you know, somebody will give you the hard line. You'll go like, this is the way. You have to do it. The Tony Robbins cell of, you know. I'm seven foot five feet tall, and I'm going to yell at you about what you have to do. I am I'm the four foot nine Tony Robbins, who speaks in a whisper and then falls asleep while I'm talking to you.
Luke Burbank: We're talking to Maria Bamford here on Live Wire. She's got a book out. It's called. Sure, I'll join your cult. You do have a really great relationship with the town of Portland, Oregon. Like, this is really because that's where I'm recording from right now. This is a real hot zip for you. What do you think it is about this place that that connects with you?
Maria Bamford: I don't know, no, I don't know what's going on. Maybe it's the dream of socialism, though. It doesn't us a social democracy. It's. You know, of course we know that that's, not always functioning at optimal, but, yeah, like Portland, the vision is good, the vision is good.
Luke Burbank: We aspire to the same world that Maria Bamford aspires to. Essentially.
Maria Bamford: Yes. Even though. What? Yeah. I'm not doing that. I'm not doing the best. I'm giving 11%. My husband and I 11% of our income to, Downtown Women's Center in, LA, which is, providing homes for, the women of the Skid Row neighborhood of downtown Los Angeles. But can we give more? Yes. What are you spending money on? Clogs.
Luke Burbank: Speaking of charity, Maria, I heard that you bought the rug for the green room at the Helium Comedy Club here in Portland. The city that loves you the most. How did that come about?
Maria Bamford: Well, I think. Have you ever been in a comedy club green room?
Luke Burbank: I've been in that comedy club, green room.
Maria Bamford: Yeah. And I am not the first who, gives back at, a decorating level. Todd Glass, always comes in and does a redo, or I always hear about, you know, some new lamp that he's picked up. Now, of course, these things may disappear because you know who else needs decor? People who work at comedy clubs. It's not a it's not a high income, place. Always, unless you're working, on a weekend where there's a barnstormer of an act. Yeah. I'm. I don't think I'm. Yeah. I don't think I'm a great earner for tips.
Luke Burbank: Well, you break this down in the book, though, you actually break down a month of. I want to be honest, when I heard that was in the book, it was immediately the thing I was most excited to read, which is a sort of a poor reflection on me. But I wanted to know what the Bam fu business looks like, and it was an extremely transparent thing. Is that like a holdover from your time in Debtors Anonymous?
Maria Bamford: Yes. Oh, yeah. And I'm still in it. Love that group. And I know I'm breaking the rule. I'm not supposed to say publicly I'm in it. So hit me with a lightning strike. Higher power. Whatever. Yeah. But I love that. Also, it's there's a philosophy of an accounting called open book accounting, where everyone in the company is educated, not only about accounting principles, but about the real finances of the company they work for, so that they might have a better understanding of why they're paid, what they're paid, how the business's operating. And so I'd like to do that with comedians who've worked for me. Some people are less interested. I'm like, here's all these numbers. They're like, what? Because it is it's emotional for me. Like, I feel like I get mad when I hear that fellow comics are being paid at the same amount that I was being paid. 30 years ago. 50 bucks a show or or zilch or nothing. And then the whoever it is who's headlining is making. I mean, it depends, but it can be like seven to, you know, 100 grand, a week depending. Yeah, depending on if it's a larger space than if they have all the income from people doing private meetups afterwards. Like, anyways, it's just that whole thing that I think everyone's dealing with, of the huge numbers at the top and unlivable wages at the bottom. So I'm hoping that if I tell everybody what I'm making, then people can point out to me and go, God, you're a monster, because I don't know. Or, yeah, that people can negotiate with me. I mean, I've had friends say to me: Hey, Maria, could I, could I have a couple hundred extra more bucks? Like. Yeah, like, because I've been open and gut and said. And that's I felt embarrassed. But then I was like, oh, yes, thank you. Please do not harbor resentments towards me while I'm wearing these brand new clogs. Brand new patent leather red clogs.
Elena Passarello: And that's not the only place in the book where you're thinking about fiscal things. I was very comforted by the money talk in terms of like what you refer to as the Mentals like spending your life making sure that you get the help that you need. It was that, a goal at the top.
Maria Bamford: Well, I think it's just something everyone has to do. You know, where our society, or at least in my brain, I always value work over and cash over my health. So, whether I'm enjoying life doesn't seem to be as important as, whether other people think I'm doing well, you know, like, yeah. Attaining some goals or something. Also, I have found in trying to find mental health help, not only is it uncomfortable, I don't want to spend money on it. But sometimes, even if you have the money, even if you have the insurance, the care is not ideal. So I think the advertising with it can make you feel even here, where you'll be like, oh, did I go to the wrong person or. Yeah, it just nobody has the time. You just got to believe yourself. You're your own best patient advocate. You know what's right for yourself. And, so I just want to reflect back to people that if you're having a hard time getting a care, it's not you. It's. Yeah, because the memes make it seem like, you know, I, you know, you just do it, just talk about it and everything gets better. And it's like, well, yeah. That's me maybe and.
Elena Passarello: Yeah, but no.
Maria Bamford: Yeah. But no. And it really everyone's situation is is extremely different. And yeah, just much love and support to everybody and for whatever experiencing they're, they're having. Yeah. Because I think there can be a lot of blame. And for all health care, you know, you're told. Well, I mean. It seems like if you did a little bit more self, you know. Did you do the real work, did you do the Byron Katie? Real work.
Luke Burbank: Oh, man. We're talking to Maria Bamford here on Live Wire. She's got a book out. It's called. Sure, I'll Join your cult. One of the things that fans of yours like myself know, is that you've talked about since I've been seeing you live. Is your mental health. Was that something that was always part of your material? Like when you're, you know, coming out of Minnesota and you're just like, I, there's some great photos in the book, by the way, of of the arc of your different the publicity, the ways that they've tried to promote Maria Bamford photographically throughout the years is really something. Did you I, I'm wondering when you started to know that you could talk about your real life and parts of your life, like mental health and that it would resonate with people as opposed to kind of like make, you know, make it harder on you to have a successful career.
Maria Bamford: I mean, I started doing things, started in college, and then I when I finally kind of really started in earnest, I was in Minneapolis, which has a very, you know, feminist, theater community. So it was very welcoming, like, I found a lot of spaces or I definitely looked for and or created spaces where, I was welcome to do anything. And I got support for that from other people, partly through all the groups I was in. And also, I love that book, The Artist's Way, which.
Elena Passarello: That was a great part of the book. I was like, oh yeah, that is a cult. So it's a Suki Violet.
Maria Bamford: It's I mean, it's it's great and really helped me a lot. And also there's some parts where it's like cutting people off going, well, that's a poisonous playmate, you know, like if somebody says anything critical about your work and like, you've really got to protect yourself and it's like you're going to start cutting off everyone in your whole life because everyone's, monstrous really, when it comes down to it without trying. Right. So I've always talked about whatever I wanted to. I don't remember ever thinking, oh, now I can talk about this or.
Luke Burbank: Wow, so you didn't have a phase where you thought to fit into comedy? I mean, it sounds like it was really fortunate for you that you started in Minneapolis and not trying to get time at Flappers in Burbank.
Maria Bamford: Yeah, I definitely did not. And and yeah, there was a comedy club, and the only time I would perform there was if it was a women's night once a week, once a year, all the women in wigs who've had a milk bath. But the sorry, I don't know, what I'm referencing there, but, I definitely just kept to places where the love was, and I always have. I've definitely tried to do that, though sometimes I have not been able to avoid, uncomfortable situations where I. I am not the right act for the room. I refuse to do benefits now. Not because I don't care about every single cause. It is because the person who hires me is the fan. The people that are trying to get millions of dollars from are winos in Napa Valley. And that means I'm going to sink like a, you know, lead balloon.
Luke Burbank: And by the way, less lest people think you're being you're just making something up. Maria, are you referring to a specific schizophrenia conference?
Maria Bamford: Yes. Schizophrenia research. Yeah. Cassandra's brought me up. Did a, you know, blasted the audience and did her job. I went on for 30 minutes and, brought everything to a screeching halt. They began clapping me off and or thinking I was done or hoping I was done. Halfway through my. I had to explain to them, no, are you going to be up here for another 15 minutes? It's contracted. But don't worry, I can't wait to bring up your next act. Who is who? Everyone wants to see, who is always appropriate for every room. And that man is Howie Mandel. But yeah, I will not do it because, I mean, have you ever found yourself at a benefit watching a creative act, suffering on behalf of Parkinson's, like.
Luke Burbank: Everybody else is drinking and talking, and the poor people are trying to do their thing up.
Maria Bamford: No, let's stop it, stop it. Just rich people keep your money. You don't have to have people prance in front of you. Let's stop the the nonsense. Just put all your money into a pile. Let's have, like, everyone, bring cash. WADs of cash so we can see you. Because that's the part of the drama is that we can see you throw it in the pile and see how much you threw in the pile and weigh it, even weigh it. Maybe have some music going on, you know? But, yeah, it doesn't have to be this thing where it affects people who are already not being paid for everything and then make them suffer. And you suffer for if you know, the wealthy don't need to suffer, no one needs to suffer.
Luke Burbank: Well, I mean, it sounds like Maria, that, if I, if I read the book correctly, that you're, you're feeling like you're in a reasonably okay place, at least by your standards, in terms of mental and emotional health, financial health. I know that you feel like you've kind of stabilized. What what is what what is keeping you doing stand up comedy, which you have described as having kind of a on and off relationship with the enjoyment of like, why are you why are you still doing it?
Maria Bamford: I don't like doing anything. I don't nothing seems like a great idea to me. I object at rest. I would like to stay at rest. I am in the story of this office. I am the rock that needs to be pushed up the hill. And then it falls back down on that poor man, I. Yeah it's not. I like doing it, I enjoy I enjoy doing it once I get there, much like everything. But, I have to get there first.
Luke Burbank: Well, just know that Portland is always here waiting for you with the finest rug ever to grace a comedy green room.
Maria Bamford: Did you see it?
Luke Burbank: No, I haven't, I've just heard it's legend.
Maria Bamford: Oh, my God, I'm so glad that it arrived.
Luke Burbank: Maria Bamford's new book is Sure, I'll join Your Cult. And, we're so happy to have her here with us on Live Wire. Maria, thank you so much.
Maria Bamford: Thank you for having me. Appreciate it.
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Elena Passarello: Oh, I want to ask you about this one. It's from Ruby. The closest thing to a cult that Ruby has ever belonged to is the early 2000 punk scene in Portland, Oregon. That was before my time as a Pacific Northwest turner. Do you remember the punk scene 25 years ago?
Luke Burbank: You know, if we were at a party and I'd had a couple beers, I would say yes, because I like to try to show off and for some reason sometimes lie about things that don't matter. But being here in the sober light of day doing live wire, I will tell you, I'm not that familiar with that scene, but I am familiar with scenes like it. I was really into a scene in Seattle at around the same time, which was a lot of musicians who had grown up in the church but were now out doing music that wasn't necessarily specifically kind of religious. There's a great band called Pedro the Lion that was my buddy, my buddy Dave. He was in the same youth group I was in in church. He was the worship leader of our little youth group. So I knew a lot of people in that scene and was very into that. So I can kind of identify with what Ruby is talking about, but maybe a different scene located a few hundred miles to the north.
Elena Passarello: Cool.
Luke Burbank: What's something else? That almost was a sort of a cult that one of our listeners was into.
Elena Passarello: Is this like a punk band? Trina says the closest thing to a cult that Trina has ever belonged to is my high school marching band in 1983. And let me tell you, I was a I was an orc dork. I played in the orchestra.
Luke Burbank: What did you play?
Elena Passarello: I played the upright bass player.
Luke Burbank: Wow, I this is the. I've known you for years. This is the first I'm learning about this.
Elena Passarello: Yeah, I played I mean, I played in all the all states and I lugged the bass up to college, and. But we were always looking over at the marching band like, what is going on with y'all?
Luke Burbank: Like the amount of fun they're having or just how tight knit they were?
Elena Passarello: Yes, both. They were having a lot of fun. They were tight knit. There were a lot of rituals. They spent a lot more time together than the orchestra did or the chorus.
Luke Burbank: I can see that because first of all, you have to be totally coordinated, right? Like the physicality of all being out there marching together and then the musicality of it, and then you're in high school, so it's your total friend group. I could see it being I'm surprised there aren't entire cities in America that are comprised of people that just did marching band together and then just never detached from each other.
Elena Passarello: I saw a video this week of the Notre Dame Amazing Marching Band. They're doing a Top Gun themed halftime show, and they form a plane and an aircraft carrier across the football field, and one phalanx, like, joins the other. So it looks like Maverick is landing his his fancy Tom cruise plane on the aircraft carrier. I mean, if I saw that, like at a college football game, I'd be like, who wants to watch the rest of the sports? Because that is probably the most spectacular thing that I will see today.
Luke Burbank: Well, the thing is, Notre Dame famously has this message when you come out of the locker room that says, play like a champion today. I think what you just described is so much harder than football. Probably. Like, I think that that should be for the marching band. That's right. For the football team.
Elena Passarello: Play highway to the Danger Zone on the euphonium. Like a champion today. Yeah.
Luke Burbank: One more, one more thing that one of our listeners found themselves very involved in that felt almost cultish.
Elena Passarello: Okay, there is one genre that has been frequently represented in these answers. The most, like the different, different iterations of this particular art form, has been listed as a cult multiple times in the answers. This one is from Bob and Bob's cult was three words improv comedy troupe. Comedians, stand up improv. All of that world has was was very well-represented among our listeners for these audience cards.
Luke Burbank: If you think about it, you just get everyone believing that the answer is always yes. How's that not going to turn into some kind of cult like situation?
Elena Passarello: Yeah, I think that's exactly what they were doing in that wild, wild country. I think they were just saying yes to the Bhagwan like.
Luke Burbank: Again and Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh. I've had a lot of friends that have been very, very involved in, in particularly the improv scene. And yeah, it is a real family and it becomes a real lifestyle. Also, my standup comedy friends in New York, they were like, I don't want to call it a cult, but these people would like make it their goal to perform at five different open mics per night. And the logistical coordination it took to make that happen was crazy. And they would all, like, ride around this up. Way together and watch each other do their jokes and then, you know, like, make fun of each other and tag their jokes. It was like a that was pretty culty, actually. Now that I think of it.
Elena Passarello: All these things that we're describing also sound like they're full of love and camaraderie. So, maybe, I don't know, maybe something about cults, especially with Maria's book too, you know? Right.
Luke Burbank: Just make sure you end up in the right one, I guess. All right. Well, thank you to everyone who sent in their responses to this week's question. Okay, before we go to a very quick break, a little preview of what we're doing next week on the program. Okay. Stay with me. We are going to be talking to author and humorist and longtime friend of mine, Sloane Crosley. Sloane is an incredible writer, incredibly funny, incredibly entertaining. Her books include Cult Classic and The Clasp. Also the New York Times bestselling essay collection. I Was Told There'd Be Cake. Also, how did you get this number? Sloane's latest book is called Grief Is for people, and it is a little bit of a, a tonal shift from some of the other stuff that Sloane has done. But it is incredible nonetheless. Then we're going to talk to New Yorker cartoonist Roz Chast, who has written or illustrated more than a dozen books, including her latest, I Must Be Dreaming, which explores the surreal and mysterious world of dreams. And then we will get some music from Black Belt Eagle Scout. Her latest album is titled The Land The Water in the Sky. It's inspired by her life in the Pacific Northwest, and, she's just an incredible musician. We've got to take a very quick break here. I'm Luke Burbank, by the way. That's Elaina Passarelli over there. But don't go anywhere because when we come back, we're going to hear some music from singer songwriter Isabel Van Walker that you do not want to miss. Stay with us. Welcome back to Live Wire from PR. I'm Luke Burbank here with Elaina Passarelli. All right. Our musical guest this week worked as a high school teacher for over a decade. While she was also making music. She was also slowly amassing an impressive YouTube following, eventually retired from education early to play music and to her full time as a member of the band E La Bamba, and also to record her first EP. Portland Monthly calls her music and overthinker dream. If I know anything about our listeners, Elena sounds like it might be their dream. Her full length album body is available now. This is Isobel Walker here on Livewire. Hi. Welcome to the show.
Isabeau Waia'u Walker: Thanks for having me.
Luke Burbank: You grew up in Hawaii?
Isabeau Waia'u Walker: Yes, I am from Wailuku, Maui.
Luke Burbank: So this song that you're going to play for us, I understand there's like a bit of a story to it. Well, how did this song come about?
Isabeau Waia'u Walker: This song is from my dad, which my dad's birthday is today.
Luke Burbank: Oh. Right on.
Isabeau Waia'u Walker: Yeah. He's not. He's not here. But thanks for clapping for him. His name is Kaleo, and, I wrote it for him. It's for him. But over time, it's definitely become a song for just local kids back home for local families of what is the most isolated island chain in the world. And when this was just me wanting to make sure that people heard about and talked about kids like Caillou. But my dad is a storyteller. And years ago I was home and I woke up and he's like, at the foot of the bed. He's like, I have something to tell you, which is not extreme for my dad to be waiting, like in the wings, like I'm ready. And he proceeds to tell me a story that I kind of knew already about. And to Lenny, who was one of the aunties that took him in, when he was younger, when he was three, actually, the day that Hobart you declared statehood, my grandfather Leopold was killed in a drunk driving accident. And that moment has always been like the shattering point for the views. So we knew that. We knew that that was like a that was a very sensitive, tender spot. But he's like. And Thulani used to take me in, during the summers when we were getting just moved around from house, the household and eventually with some of the settlement money, they sent my dad off to a preparatory academy on the Big Island in hopes that it would make him less angry, but he just stood out in all the worst ways. And, for Hawaiian graduations, it's a very big deal. You're given leis up to the top of your head. It's a beautiful celebration. In some ways, it's probably heavy because it means a lot of these kids won't maybe have opportunities beyond, like, this is the last hurrah. So he was at the graduation. He invited my grandma, his mom and his brothers, and he said he. This is what he's telling me. On the edge of the basic, I invited into Iolani and I was it was really important for for him that she'd show up because she was a stabilizing force. But she was also someone that others look to and respected. And he's like, if she. She likes me. And that might say something about me. So she shows up the ceremony starting. And when it's done, when it's Powell, everyone's like going to their family members to get their lei. And he sees Ntuli walking his way. And the school chaplain, who had just wrecked havoc on my dad's time at the school, stepped in and tried to kind of like network with NTA and be like, hey, my name. And and she was just really patient, like, I'm here for clue and kept walking. And he's like, I just felt like a prince. That she would bypass him and walk straight to the kid who just didn't really have a shot at the school. So this is for my dad. But the I know that that circumstance is just always happening. Yeah. Thanks for listening to the whole story. This is like the only song that I don't like being misunderstood on everything else. I'm like, yeah, think it's for you or what?
Luke Burbank: What's the song called?
Isabeau Waia'u Walker: The Prince.
Luke Burbank: All right, let's hear the Prince.
[Isabeau Waia'u Walker plays the song “The Prince”]
Luke Burbank: That was by Isabeau Waia'u Walker right ere on Live Wire. Her latest album, body, is available now. That is going to do it for this week's episode of Live Wire. A big thanks to our guests, Maria Bamford and Isabel Walker.
Luke Burbank: Laura Hadden is our executive producer. Heather De Michele is our executive director and our producer and editor is Melanie Sevcenko. Eban Hoffer and Molly Pettit are our technical directors, and our house sound is by D. Neil Blake. Tre Hester is our assistant editor. Our marketing and production manager is Karen Pan. Rosa Garcia is our operations associate. Jackie Ibarra is our production fellow and Becky Phillips is our intern. Our house band is Ethan Fox Tucker, Sam Tucker, Ayal Alvez, and A Walker Spring who also composes our music. This episode was mixed by Molly Pettit and Tre Hester.
Luke Burbank: Additional funding provided by the Regional Arts and Culture Council and the James F and Marion L Miller Foundation. Live wire was created by Robyn Tenenbaum and Kate Sokoloff. This week, we'd like to thank members Kip Silverman of Portland, Oregon, and Kurt Stefansson of Seattle, Washington. For more information about our show or how you can listen to our podcast, head on over to Live Wire radio.org. I'm Luke Burbank for Elena Passarello and the whole Live Wire team. Thank you for listening and we will see you next week.
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